Igår publicerade ”Brighton TV” en närmast unik debatt från Brighton University mellan å ena sidan Milo Yannopoulus från Breitbart.com och å andra sidan Dr Theodore Koulouris som är ”Senior Lecturer on Critical Theory”. Vad som skulle debatteras var grabbkultur så debatten fick hashtaggen #TheLadDebate på twitter. Debatten varar ganska precis 1 timme. Om inbäddningen krånglar använd denna länk
Lyckligtvis har man den här gången förstått vad en debatt är för någonting. Vi har sålunda lika många personer från vardera sida och en moderator – Laura Dawkins – som ställer frågor och följer upp när det behövs. För den som undrar över kritisk teori så har jag gett en kortfattad förklaring i slutet av detta gamla inlägg.
Avslutningsvis så vill jag göra samma påpekande som jag gjorde när jag skrev om Misandry-bokserien. Manshat (misandri) – som vissa påstår inte finns – innebär att bara ”hederskvinnor” kan prata för män. Män får inte alls prata för män. Regeln jag nämnde då gäller även här. Orsaken den här debatten existerar är att Milo (precis som Paul Nathanson) är homosexuell (dvs räknas som hederskvinna) vilket han själv också påpekar. Här kommer några utdrag från första halvtimmen av debatten.
What is lad culture?
Milo: It used to mean boys who have boisterous behaviors which some think cause problems for women but in this debate i think it just means boys letting off steam in an healthy appropriate way
Theo: It is a complex phenomen with has deep roots, what do you mean by boisterous?
Milo: I dont think lad culture is a complicated social phenomena, I think it is simple. Men growing up in school are increasingly put on drugs like ritalin and aderol for letting of steam because they are being held up to feminine standards of behavior. This is damaging for male psychology and ultimately damaging to women too because these boys grow up to become the kind of men women dont want to marry.
Do we need to be concerned about lad culture? (2.25)
Theo: If laddism is an extreme form of masculinity of that construct off course we need to worry but i must ask Milo. What do you mean by letting off steam? I did when I was young but I was never offensive and never considered it to be my right to force women to behave in a certain way.
Milo: I dont think it is about women at all I think women inject themselves into it and thats part of the problem. Minorities argue they need safe spaces to debate or to simply exist. Lad culture is a safe space in its own kind, albeit a poorly understood one like forum culture or chan-culture on the internet. Be loud, get drunk, Men need their safe spaces too.
Theo: I agree entirely but when these things impose on womens understanding of themselves. (Milo: How does it?) You got drunk young men – I used to do it too when I was younger – when a man consider his right to presume women is there for this pleasure
Milo: The picture you are painting is 20 years out of date, Men worry about approaching women, men worry about getting laughted at, being branded creepy or potential rapists. Men in university have to go to consent classes. Lad culture where men are retreating to the company of other men is partly a response of this.
The National Union of Students (NUS) defines lad culture as ”sexist, misogynistic and homophobicm at its extremes rape-supportive attitudes, sexual harassment and violence” (10.00)
Milo: What is a rape-supportive attitude? No-one supports rape, that´s ridiculous. NUS is famously one of the most lefty organizations in the country supporting wacky ideas. In the last NUS Womens conference they passed the motion saying gay men should stop cultural appropriation of female black culture.
Theo: Why do you call them lefty?:
Milo: Because it is wrapped out in these tired identity politics of the 60s and the 70s which the left loves so. The oppression olympics, the privilege nonsence which should have died out in he 60s and 70s but for some reason still are with us, mainly at places like The Guardian and the NUS.
Följdfråga från Theo (20.05)
Theo: Do you have any female friends who would actually say to you. Any woman who would say (skratt från Milo) what kind of behavior would be permissable? What does a woman do, in a club for instance to – not safe – At what point does a young mans become offensive.
Milo: I am guessing you draw the line sooner they I wood. I was gonna go back to that great debate on newsnight. Typical of the ridicolous misandrist miniatures of the modern feminism with mostly ficticious complains on men being men.
Theo: So there is misandry?
Milo: Absolutely! We got ourselves in a situation where lesbianic third-way feminists and gay guys have to debate how men and women should interact. I mean… Why am I even here? The reason I am on here is that men gets fired for having this sort of discussion. Men are not allowed to talk like this. Men are not allowed to say these things.
Milo: It depends on the circumstances What I do know is that there are more unhappy single women than ever before, there are more unhappy single men than ever before and in this article I tried to explain how – feminism with the best of intentions – has gone of the rails.
So, do you think young men are in a crisis? (23.40)
Theo: I think young people are in a crisis. Higher education has been incorportised. We have to work more hours for less money. I think we are in crisis just not the kind of crisis that Milo you know the fault of radical feminism.
Milo: I was not laying the whole blame on radical I was talking about one aspect of it which is the breakdown of relationships between the sexes. A gender crisis of sexuality and sexual relations that we have not seen for 40-50 years.
Theo: (on studies of problematic masculinity) ”80 pages of qualitative analysis of 40 women which all allege that they have had problems with masculine boisterousness.”
Milo: That report is a wonderful waste of paper I too to my shame printed it. Yes its a lot of pages but it doesnt say a lot. Ask people to whine about pretty much anything and you will find 40 women. Much better indicators I think are like ”Rape on campus” which tells us whether – as the left says – certain kinds of cultures and art has the power to make people sexist or make people violent. It used to be the religious right who would say cultures in society or art on TV need to be banned on censored. Now its the left that wanna ban videogames, censor comic books, go back and retroactively add transgender characters to comic books in the name of diversity.